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8.Rājā āha "bhante nāgasena, yattha manoviññāṇaṃ uppajjati, phassopi vedanāpi tattha uppajjatī"ti?
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The king asked: “Venerable Nāgasena, do contact and also feeling arise where mind consciousness arises?”
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King Milinda said: “Revered Nāgasena does feeling arise where mind-consciousness arises?"
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The king said: ‘Where thought (mental perception) is, Nāgasena, is there always sensation?’
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Царь молвил: «Почтенный Нагасена, если возникает умное сознание, то возникает и ощущение?»
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"Āma, mahārāja, yattha manoviññāṇaṃ uppajjati, phassopi tattha uppajjati, vedanāpi tattha uppajjati, saññāpi tattha uppajjati, cetanāpi tattha uppajjati, vitakkopi tattha uppajjati, vicāropi tattha uppajjati, sabbepi phassappamukhā dhammā tattha uppajjantī"ti.
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“Yes, your majesty, where mind consciousness arises, there too contact, feeling, perception, intention, applied thought, and examination arise, and all mental states that arise there are led by contact.”
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“Yes, sire, where mind-consciousness arises there contact arises, feeling arises, perception arises, volition arises, applied thought arises and sustained thought arises, and all mental states that arise there are headed by contact.”
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‘Yes, where thought arises there is contact, and there is sensation, and there is idea, and there is conceived intention, and there is reflection; and there is investigation.’
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– Да, государь, если возникает умное сознание, то возникает и ощущение, возникает и распознавание, возникает и побуждение, возникает и задумывание, возникает и продумывание, возникают все дхармы во главе с соприкосновением224.
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"Bhante nāgasena, kiṃlakkhaṇo phasso"ti?
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“Venerable Nāgasena, what is the distinguishing characteristic of contact?”
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“Revered Nāgasena, what is the distinguishing mark of contact?"
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‘Reverend Sir, what is the distinguishing characteristic of contact (Phassa)?’
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Царь молвил: «Почтенный Нагасена, каково свойство соприкосновения?»
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"Phusanalakkhaṇo, mahārāja, phasso"ti.
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“Touching, your majesty, is the distinguishing characteristic of contact.”
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“Touching, sire, is the distinguishing mark of contact.”
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‘Touch, O king.’
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– Свойство соприкосновения – касаться, государь.
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"Opammaṃ karohī"ti.
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“Please give me an analogy.”
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“Make a simile.”
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‘But give me an illustration.’
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– Приведи пример.
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"Yathā, mahārāja, dve meṇḍā yujjheyyuṃ, tesu yathā eko meṇḍo, evaṃ cakkhu daṭṭhabbaṃ yathā dutiyo meṇḍo, evaṃ rūpaṃ daṭṭhabbaṃ.
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“Suppose, your majesty, that two rams were fighting. One of these rams is to be seen as the eye, the other ram is to be seen as form,
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‘It is as when two rams are butting together, O king. The eye should be regarded as one of those two, the form (object) as the other,
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– Например, государь, дерутся два барана. Здесь одному барану следует уподоблять зрение, другому барану уподоблять зримое,
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Yathā tesaṃ sannipāto, evaṃ phasso daṭṭhabbo"ti.
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and the meeting of the two is to be seen as contact.”
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and the contact as the union of the two.’
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их сшибке уподоблять соприкосновение.
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"Bhiyyo opammaṃ karohī"ti.
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“Give me another analogy.”
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‘Give me a further illustration.’
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– Приведи еще пример.
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"Yathā, mahārāja, dve pāṇī vajjeyyuṃ, tesu yathā eko pāṇi, evaṃ cakkhu daṭṭhabbaṃ.
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“Suppose, your majesty, that two hands were clapped together. One of these hands is to be seen as the eye,
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“Suppose, sire, two hands are clapped together. One of these hands should be understood as the eye,
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‘It is as when two cymbals are clashed together.
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– Например, государь, кто-то ударил в ладоши. Здесь одной ладони следует уподоблять зрение,
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Yathā dutiyo pāṇi, evaṃ rūpaṃ daṭṭhabbaṃ.
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the other hand is to be seen as form,
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the other as visible form,
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The one is as the eye, the other as the object,
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другой ладони уподоблять зримое,
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Yathā tesaṃ sannipāto, evaṃ phasso daṭṭhabbo"ti.
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and the meeting of the two is to be seen as contact.”
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the meeting of the two as contact.”54
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and the junction of the two is like contact.’
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их сшибке уподоблять соприкосновение225.
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"Bhiyyo opammaṃ karohī"ti.
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“Give me another analogy.”
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– Приведи еще пример.
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"Yathā, mahārāja, dve sammā vajjeyyuṃ, tesu yathā eko sammo, evaṃ cakkhu daṭṭhabbaṃ.
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“Suppose, your majesty, that two cymbals were clanged together. One of these cymbals is to be seen as the eye,
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– Например, государь, кто-то ударил в музыкальные тарелки.Здесь одной тарелке следует уподоблять зрение,
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Yathā dutiyo sammo, evaṃ rūpaṃ daṭṭhabbaṃ.
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the other cymbal is to be seen as form,
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другой тарелке уподоблять зримое,
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Yathā tesaṃ sannipāto, evaṃ phasso daṭṭhabbo"ti.
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and the meeting of the two is to be seen as contact.”
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их сшибке уподоблять соприкосновение.
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"Kallosi, bhante nāgasenā"ti.
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“You are clever, venerable Nāgasena.”
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“You are dexterous, revered Nāgasena.”
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‘Very good, Nāgasena!’
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– Прекрасно, почтенный Нагасена.
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Phassalakkhaṇapañho aṭṭhamo.
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