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"Seyyathāpi, bho gotama, imassa migāramātupāsādassa dissati anupubbasikkhā anupubbakiriyā anupubbapaṭipadā yadidaṃ – yāva pacchimasopānakaḷevarāः imesampi hi, bho gotama, brāhmaṇānaṃ dissati anupubbasikkhā anupubbakiriyā anupubbapaṭipadā yadidaṃ – ajjheneः imesampi hi, bho gotama, issāsānaṃ dissati anupubbasikkhā anupubbakiriyā anupubbapaṭipadā yadidaṃ – issatthe [issatte (ka.)].
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"Just as, good Gotama, in this palace of Migara's mother there can be seen a gradual training, a gradual doing, a gradual practice, that is to say as far as the last flight of stairs, so, too, good Gotama, for these brahmans there can be seen a gradual training, a gradual doing, a gradual practice, that is to say in the study [of the Vedas];
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'Venerable sir, as it is seen in the palace of Migara's mother, right from the lowest step of the staircase, this gradual, training, work and method.
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“Mister Gotama, in this stilt longhouse we can see gradual progress down to the last step of the staircase. Among the brahmins we can see gradual progress in recitation.
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“Master Gotama, in this palace of Migāra’s mother is seen a step-by-step training, a step-by-step activity, a step-by-step practice, down to the last tread of the staircase. Even among these brahmans is seen a step-by-step training, a step-by-step activity, a step-by-step practice in recitation. Even among these archers is seen a step-by-step training, a step-by-step activity, a step-by-step practice in archery.
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2. "Master Gotama, in this Palace of Migara's Mother there can be seen gradual training, gradual practice, and gradual progress, that is, down to the last step of the staircase.1024 Among these brahmins too, there can be seen gradual training, gradual practice, and gradual progress, that is, in study. Among archers too, there can be seen gradual training...that is, in archery.
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Amhākampi hi, bho gotama, gaṇakānaṃ gaṇanājīvānaṃ dissati anupubbasikkhā anupubbakiriyā anupubbapaṭipadā yadidaṃ – saṅkhāne.
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so too, good Gotama, for these archers there can be seen a gradual... practice, that is to say in archery; so too, good Gotama, for us whose livelihood is calculation there can be seen a gradual training, a gradual practice, that is to say in accountancy.
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It is also seen in education and archery.
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Among us accountants, who earn a living by accounting, we can see gradual progress in mathematics.
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Even among us accountants [gaṇaka] who earn our living by accounting is seen a step-by-step training, a step-by-step activity, a step-by-step practice in calculation.
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And also among accountants1025 like us, who earn our living by accountancy, there can be seen gradual training...that is, in computation.
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Mayañhi, bho gotama, antevāsiṃ labhitvā paṭhamaṃ evaṃ gaṇāpema – 'ekaṃ ekakaṃ, dve dukā, tīṇi tikā, cattāri catukkā, pañca pañcakā, cha chakkā, satta sattakā, aṭṭha aṭṭhakā, nava navakā, dasa dasakā'ti; satampi mayaṃ, bho gotama, gaṇāpema, bhiyyopi gaṇāpema.
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For when we get a pupil, good Gotama, we first of all make him calculate: 'One one, two twos, three threes, four fours, five fives, six sixes, seven sevens, eight eights, nine nines, ten tens,' and we, good Gotama, also make him calculate a hundred.
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As for me, I train my pupils, to count in ones, in twos, threes, fours, fives, sixes, sevens, eights, nines, tens and even in hundreds.
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For when we get an apprentice we first make them count: ‘One one, two twos, three threes, four fours, five fives, six sixes, seven sevens, eight eights, nine nines, ten tens.’ We even make them count up to a hundred.
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When we get an apprentice, we first make him count like this: ‘One one, two twos, three threes, four fours, five fives, six sixes, seven sevens, eight eights, nine nines, ten tens.’
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For when we get an apprentice first we make him count: one one, two twos, three threes, four fours, five fives, six sixes, seven sevens, eight eights, nine nines, ten tens; and we make him count a hundred too.
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Sakkā nu kho, bho gotama, imasmimpi dhammavinaye evameva anupubbasikkhā anupubbakiriyā anupubbapaṭipadā paññapetu"nti?
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Is it not possible, good Gotama, to lay down a similar gradual training, gradual doing, gradual practice in respect of this dhamma and discipline? "
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Venerable sir, do we find the same gradual, training, work and method in the Dispensation too? '
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Is it possible to similarly describe a gradual training, gradual progress, and gradual practice in this teaching and training?”
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We even get him to count to one hundred. “Now, Master Gotama, can a step-by-step training, a step-by-step activity, a step-by-step practice likewise be described in this Dhamma & Vinaya?”
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Now is it also possible, Master Gotama, to describe gradual training, gradual practice, and gradual progress in this Dhamma and Discipline?"
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